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PostSubject: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 16, 2011 9:19 pm

Well the Mrs's and myself are redoing her house to either rent or sell in a few years. Its mostly all hardwood floors except the kitchen and I'm looking to redo mostly all of them. Anyone ever do them or have any pointers? I will probably be buying the floor sanders instead of renting them since I will have to do my house and my parents house so its more economical then renting in the long run for me. I know its kind of a long shot asking on here being a Rover forum but I figured its worth a shot. Mostly looking for input on materials rite now. I already checked on laminate flooring and thats out of the question money wise and I just plain dont like the looks of the stuff myself. Any input is apreciated, thanks in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 16, 2011 9:21 pm

If it makes a difference all of the houses were built pre 1920 so you know what im up against.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm

http://www.armstrong.com/flooring/products

We have something like this. Man made wood flooring I'm pretty sure it's vinyl. It's the cheapest option and I'm sure that's why my landlord picked it.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 17, 2011 4:39 pm

Thats what we decided to do the kitchen and dinning room with. I helped my neighbor install that in his house last year its held up good so far. As far as bedrooms, tv room, and hallways we wanted to keep the old hardwood since its in fairly decent shape just the finish is worn off. I did 1 room already but I have 5 more to do in her house and 2 full floors to do on mine.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 17, 2011 4:54 pm

Heres what I got done so far

Heres the sander I rented but I think I'll end up buying it after figuring out rental ratez
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Heres 2 coats of Polyurethane before I resanded smooth
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Heres the final I havent had a chance to wet sand and buff out yet
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 17, 2011 10:38 pm

Looks damn good!
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 18, 2011 3:31 am

Jake wrote:
Looks damn good!


Thanks!!!

That was the test room to see how they would turn out. I have about 20 hours into it between fixing loose boards, sanding, and puting Poly on. It turned out so good we decided to do all of them instead of Pergo or similar product, and its a hell of a lot cheaper. The rest of the house wont take me as long since I learned a few shortcuts in the process.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 18, 2011 10:15 am

Long Haul wrote:
Jake wrote:
Looks damn good!


Thanks!!!

That was the test room to see how they would turn out. I have about 20 hours into it between fixing loose boards, sanding, and puting Poly on. It turned out so good we decided to do all of them instead of Pergo or similar product, and its a hell of a lot cheaper. The rest of the house wont take me as long since I learned a few shortcuts in the process.

We have all unfinished wood on our upstairs floors. Maybe we will do this. It's not that big of a deal since we are renting but I am sure the floors are going to look horrible in 3 months.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 18, 2011 10:40 am

It wasnt that hard to do or very expensive. I have $50 in polyurethane and brushes and the highest price was the sander rental it was $120 for the weekend (thats why Im buying one its a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run for me). I was using a 1/4 sheet sander, it worked great but it took forever the same with a belt sander. I used an oil base poly its more durable but it takes forever to harden, the water base looks as good just dries a lot faster, mite be a little better since you have dogs, the water base also doesnt have as strong of a smell either. After getting qouted 1500-2000 a room from several flooring places to do them I dont mind a little elbow grease doing them myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeThu Aug 25, 2011 10:33 pm

My dad use to be an estimator for a construction company. They did a lot of hardwood floors. They came and did my parents floors and I remember it was messy and had to be very well ventilated. I think because they used oil based coatings. But nothing beats the look off a well done hardwood floor.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 1:57 am

I used oil base in that room but this newer low VOC crap doesnt have near the strong odor the older stuff did. I just finished wet sanding that room with 3000 grit and buffed it out, and I gotta say it has a better finish then my rover does lol. When I do the hall ways, steps, entrances, etc I'm gonna use water based polyeurethane. All the rooms I can seal off from the pets I'll use oil based just because I dont need to worry about dry times. I'll get a couple pics when I get back home, right now im just trying to beat that hurricane coming up the coast.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 11:45 am

yeah, well they will lookd damn sharp when you are done. how much does one of those floor sanders go for by the way?
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 12:01 pm

That one thats pictured the rental place is selling that one for $600. I think new is around $1000 he said. At rental rates i figured I would have about 14-1500 just in Cories house plus I wouldnt have to worry about returning late or picking up if I buy it. I wouldve loved to of had it to sand between coats but I coyldnt see renting it just for that room.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 1:42 pm

Hilltoppersx wrote:
My dad use to be an estimator for a construction company. They did a lot of hardwood floors. They came and did my parents floors and I remember it was messy and had to be very well ventilated. I think because they used oil based coatings. But nothing beats the look off a well done hardwood floor.

Really want to do the floods here but it's a rental so it's almost pointless..
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 1:50 pm

Jake wrote:
Hilltoppersx wrote:
My dad use to be an estimator for a construction company. They did a lot of hardwood floors. They came and did my parents floors and I remember it was messy and had to be very well ventilated. I think because they used oil based coatings. But nothing beats the look off a well done hardwood floor.

Really want to do the floods here but it's a rental so it's almost pointless..

Same with my place. I want to do them but he won't take the material cost off my rent so fuck it
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 2:07 pm

Hilltoppersx wrote:
Jake wrote:
Hilltoppersx wrote:
My dad use to be an estimator for a construction company. They did a lot of hardwood floors. They came and did my parents floors and I remember it was messy and had to be very well ventilated. I think because they used oil based coatings. But nothing beats the look off a well done hardwood floor.

Really want to do the floods here but it's a rental so it's almost pointless..

Same with my place. I want to do them but he won't take the material cost off my rent so fuck it

I doubt mine would too. I'll ask him next time I see him though.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 2:16 pm

You can always do it with a 1/2 sheet sander and belt sander just takes a lot longer. You can buy cheap polyeurethane for $30 a gallon at home depot, lowes, ace, true value, etc. I went with an industrial finish that was $80 a gallon, the water base Minwax brand is $40 a gal locally. Depending on brands the coverage per gallon varies between 250 square ft to 800 for the better quality. The room I did was 12'6"x 12'6" I used about 1 gallon to do that room but I sanded between each coat (6 coats total). We were happy with it after 3 coats but it just didnt have the look I was after (Im a little anal on that stuff). Hardest part is not being able to use the room for a couple weeks, at least no furniture and just stocking feet for a while.
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 2:18 pm

Long Haul wrote:
You can always do it with a 1/2 sheet sander and belt sander just takes a lot longer. You can buy cheap polyeurethane for $30 a gallon at home depot, lowes, ace, true value, etc. I went with an industrial finish that was $80 a gallon, the water base Minwax brand is $40 a gal locally. Depending on brands the coverage per gallon varies between 250 square ft to 800 for the better quality. The room I did was 12'6"x 12'6" I used about 1 gallon to do that room but I sanded between each coat (6 coats total). We were happy with it after 3 coats but it just didnt have the look I was after (Im a little anal on that stuff). Hardest part is not being able to use the room for a couple weeks, at least no furniture and just stocking feet for a while.

Our floors are unfinished so sanding wouldnt be a huge job. However not being able to use the rooms would be a pain
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PostSubject: Re: Hardwood floors   Hardwood floors I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 26, 2011 3:13 pm

Yeah you can walk on it carefully after 5-6 hours (at least the stuff i used) in socks/bare feet but from what Ive read and talked to a few people you dont want any furniture, rugs, hard sole shoes on it untill the smell is gone. That was about 8 days for me with oil based poly, the water based from what i read its more like 2-3 days depending on humidity. I plan on doing the hallway and stairs in water based just for the conveniance of faster dry times. As far as sanding i started with 24 grit then worked my way down to 220 before applying finish then 400 between coats. The final coat i learned if you thin it out 50/50 with mineral spirits (oil base) it produced a better smoother finish. After the top coat dried i started with 800 grit then 1200, 1500, 2000, 2500, then 3000 grit then buffed out with my car buffer and 3M automotive Trizact compound. I havent waxed it yet but its very smooth and very shiny. You can skip sanding between coats and the final sanding an buffing and itll still look great and itll save a lot of time, I had to sand between coats because Of it curing between coats since i could only work on it about one day a week.
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